Romania’s position in the climate negotiations held at the COP16 – Cancun was a cautious one. The uncertain global context in which important players such as the U.S., Canada, Russia or Japan showed a stagnant or reluctant attitude and the EU continues to be the biggest spender in the emissions reduction cause, made Romania skeptical about cutting emissions by 30% or signing a binding agreement at the present time.
Laszlo Borbely, the Romanian Minister of Environment, leading the Romanian delegation in Cancun, tells us more on these matters.
Interview carried out by Raul Cazan
Translated and edited by Cristina Mircea
2C: The hottest topic at the COP-16 summit in Cancun was the “Fast Start Funding” for helping developing countries to deal with climate change. We know that the EU has already given 2,2 billion euros in 2010 and has a target of 7,4 billion euros by 2012. We also know that decisions on how funds are allocated will be taken at national level. What is Romania’s contribution in this context?
There are voluntary commitments at the present time, to be developed by 2012. And it is very important for us this year to have at least somewhat a compromise on what will follow after 2012. As for Romania’s position on this matter, we have pledged to give 15 million euros by 2012, of which 5 will be allocated next year, and the remaining 10 million, in 2012.
Last week we passed a note to the Government to allocate these funds to the Republic of Moldova, to be invested in projects such as emissions reduction, infrastructure, energy rehabilitation of buildings. I even talked to my counterpart in Moldova, Mr George Salaru, and he pledged to come up with those specific projects until next month. These projects are going to be monitored and achieved by 2012.
2C: What was Romania’s position regarding the climate negotiations in Cancun?
We have to be very cautious, because so far the discussions clearly showed that the U.S. hasn’t taken a single step in signing a legally binding and other countries such as Russia, Japan, Canada are reluctant too, because they accuse the fact that the U.S. , responsible for a quarter of the global emissions, hasn’t properly involved in any of the negotiations.
China on the other hand, even though it hasn’t assumed any commitment, has invested a lot in the green economy, during the last two years.
Personally, I am very skeptical about delivering any spectacular results, or signing a legal agreement at the moment, but, nevertheless, we have to carefully analyze which way we go from here. Even if the EU has a commitment of up to 30% reduction, we requested an analysis on what that means for every member state, because this means more money and we don’t want to commit ourselves before seeing what happens globally.
This emissions reduction requires a lot of money and affects the economy as well. The energy prices will be more expensive if you rely more on renewable energy so we have to stay cautious and observe first how the rest of the world approaches this issue, before committing ourselves to some expenses, especially now, during recession time.
Therefore, we have a cautious attitude in terms of reducing emissions by 30% until 2020.
For now let’s see what 20% means in financial terms and what happens in South Africa, at the COP 17 and we’ ll take a decision by 2012. This is Romania’s position.
2C: There is another aspect of this emissions reduction issue, regarding its reference year, which should be 2005 and not 1990. What can you tell us about that?
What these Western European countries have to understand is that after 50 years of communism Romania has made substantial efforts. That is the reason why we insist on 1990 to remain the reference year. We have a number of 300 million AAU’ s allocated, meaning about 1,5- 1,8 billion euros for investments in the green economy segment in Romania, by 2012. We also had a success at the Environment Ministers Council in Luxembourg, concerning the carry-over of the emissions certificate issue, after the expiry of the Kyoto Protocol in 2012. The developed countries of the EU don’t approve the carrying forward of these units after 2012, but our country has been very firm about finding a way to make this carrying possible and the money to be used for internal compliance, which means reduced emissions for Romania.
2C: You had a bilateral meeting with Poland in Cancun. Did you have any discussions about this issue?
We had many bilateral meetings and the one with Poland was indeed a significant one.
We continue to support Belgium, Hungary and Poland to be stronger and have a say, as they will be the ones holding the EU’s presidency. We also need to correlate because Romania can obviously relate to some point of views regarding the cooperation with these countries. They hold the EU presidency and must have an attitude as a mediator so that we can better negotiate the matter of these units and the reference criteria to be discussed after 2012.
We also have signed agreements with some of these countries and we support each other, because we have common interests related to big power plant polluters, the possibility of using other fuels than natural gas and also related to the issue of allocated AAU’s.
So we have many ways in which we can make ourselves heard and have an attitude that can influence decisions taken at EU level.